tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post5972826770136868276..comments2014-05-08T09:43:19.472-07:00Comments on Atheist Morality: A Pyrrhic VictoryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-53031941506577351542012-10-07T16:26:54.561-07:002012-10-07T16:26:54.561-07:00>"If you do not forgive others, you will n...>"If you do not forgive others, you will not be forgiven." Perhaps you missed that part of Jesus' teaching.<br /><br />Read my comment again, it says that we humans need to forgive each other. Also, I don't give a hoot what a man who can't even be proven to ever have existed is said to have taught.<br /> <br />>If you observe humans, you'll notice that as is true regarding our Creator<br /><br />No, if you observe humans, you will notice human behavior. Observing humans doesn't tell us anything about our origins and until a Creator can be empirically proven to exist, I'm not going to even rhetorically or hypothetically pretend like it exists or has any bearing on human behavior. If you don't have anything to add regarding the subject of this post and you keep posting theology, I'm going to stop answering you. It has absolutely no bearing on what I'm writing about and I don't appreciate you coming here to hijack my blog for your own proselytizing. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-29250302994527403212012-10-07T16:09:59.434-07:002012-10-07T16:09:59.434-07:00"If you do not forgive others, you will not b..."If you do not forgive others, you will not be forgiven." Perhaps you missed that part of Jesus' teaching. If you observe humans, you'll notice that as is true regarding our Creator, is true for other relationships as well, "We love Him because He first loved us." And how did He love us first? "While we were still His enemies, Jesus died for us." It's knowing that we are freely forgiven that allows us to freely forgive. Unlike most secular versions of forgiveness, i.e., let it go and move on so you don't become emotionally bitter, Christian forgiveness, either God's forgiveness of us, or our forgiveness of others, is reconciliation, the restoration of the relationship.<br /><br />And before you grab that and run to extremes with it, at its base, Christian forgiveness is "Giving up my supposed and false right, to harm you for having harmed me." Forgiveness is not sanctioning the action of the other. It's not forgetting the action of the other, to not - oops I've got to go cut the Turkey. Happy Thanks giving.<br />God Bless<br /><br /><br />Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-28649917609665950482012-10-05T15:07:19.824-07:002012-10-05T15:07:19.824-07:00Creationist and religious dogma today is as bad as...Creationist and religious dogma today is as bad as the dogma from feminists and AtheismPlus. However, when AtheimPlus starts wars and burning people at the sake, then the analogy will be complete. Until then, Christianity has a far longer list of atrocities. <br /><br />What we need isn't "forgiveness," but the ability to forgive each other, admit our faults and treat each other better. Putting forgiveness in the hands of God instead of seeking it with the people you've harmed is a cop-out and one of the worst theologies in human history. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-74984539024974551562012-10-05T12:07:59.092-07:002012-10-05T12:07:59.092-07:00". . . demonstrating that they are no better,...". . . demonstrating that they are no better, and in some ways much worse, than the believers they used to rail against."<br /><br />They are not worse. We humans are all the same. If nothing else, this whole debate has at least made it possible for the more open minded atheists to catch a hint of what Christianity has been saying for ever, "The problem is within us." It's not the religion we follow, or the political party we vote for. It's not the colour of our skin or our gender etc. We humans are deeply flawed. All it takes is some stressor to float these flaws to the surface. <br /><br />The issue is not how good we are. The issue is that we need forgiveness.<br /><br />Good luck on your journey. <br />God Bless.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-63332930585930764522012-10-05T07:13:09.282-07:002012-10-05T07:13:09.282-07:00Bingo. As a former fan of PZ/Pharyngula/et al I ha...Bingo. As a former fan of PZ/Pharyngula/et al I have been utterly dismayed to see how that group has morphed into an ego driven, corrupt and dogmatic monster. I will never again make the assumption that an atheist, by definition, is a more intelligent being. The FTB/A+ Flying Monkeys have put a lot of effort into demonstrating that they are no better, and in some ways much worse, than the believers they used to rail against.<br /><br />We have one ultimate weapon on our side. There is only one thing they feed on: attention. The most effective act is simply to ignore them. I've disassociated myself with FTB, A+ and any blogger or website that supports them. You should do the same. If they attend a conference, boycott them. In their place, I've started to search out and subscribe to the more reasoned voices, such as here.<br /><br />Stay away from their sites and pages and blogs. If one of the FTB Flying Monkeys posts a comment, ignore it. Silence is there poison and it will slowly, but ever so surely, extinguish their vitriol.Jim Sabistonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18128614396558369112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-49248078949006725752012-10-05T06:15:20.743-07:002012-10-05T06:15:20.743-07:00At this point, with everything that's happened...At this point, with everything that's happened the last week or two, yes. They've finally lost all credibility. It's time for us to move on and start ignoring their silly little games, stop visiting their silly little blogs full of ads, and get back to the real fight we're facing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5789216523890817519.post-7756912326153851152012-10-05T04:39:20.150-07:002012-10-05T04:39:20.150-07:00Do you think it is better to ignore the A+ crowd (...Do you think it is better to ignore the A+ crowd (which almost none of us have managed to do) or challenge them and call attention to their hypocrisy? I ask because I'm conflicted. I suppose I've moved more toward the ignore side, but I'm still uncertain.vjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05868095335395368227noreply@blogger.com